Posts by Doug Mason

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Second-Temple Period Messiahs

by Doug Mason in

writing is a lonely discipline that is constantly beset with self-doubt and constant self-criticism.

that is the way it needs to be.. there are times when i need to reach out for help in the form of criticism from others.

this is particularly the situation with this material.. https://jwstudies.com/second-temple_period_messiahs.pdf .

Doug Mason

Yes, there should be little doubt that the "Old Testament"/Hebrew scriptures were formulated in the post-exilic period.

Further to that, the Jews, as they began to be known as during the Second Temple Period, were heavily and deeply influenced by the Persian and Greek religious ideas. Today, these ideas have become so ingrained into Christianity that when people look back at that period, they do not sense the novelties of the ideas, such as: Satan (etc.), resurrection, eschatology, state of the dead, life after death, and so on.

Doug

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Second-Temple Period Messiahs

by Doug Mason in

writing is a lonely discipline that is constantly beset with self-doubt and constant self-criticism.

that is the way it needs to be.. there are times when i need to reach out for help in the form of criticism from others.

this is particularly the situation with this material.. https://jwstudies.com/second-temple_period_messiahs.pdf .

Doug Mason

Sorry Guys,

I have not been back here for a few days. I apologise.

I have taken note of your comments which I will refer to again when I reach the editing stage. As you will see with my next post, I am still forging ahead collecting and gathering, and I have a way to go yet.

I think the latest version of Luke/Acts would be about 120CE (likely against Marcion) and 2 Peter probably 40 years later (written by a follower of Paul). The title "Acts of the Apostles" is a misnomer as it is a carefully balanced "Acts of Two Apostles: Peter then Paul". As I said, very carefully balanced, likely to counter Marcion.

I don't know any date for Hebrews but likely it was addressing a priestly class. The Sadducees became impotent with 70 CE, so I don't know where to go with that.

My intention is to provide a helicopter view, a broad panoramic view. Each subject under the banner of "Second Temple Period" has generated many books and articles containing an untold number of pages.

Yes, know I can be accused of being "too deep", but I will wear that. Sometimes I wonder whether my consciousness of my heritage helps me because it means I cannot be accused of being an anti-Semite. I never knew my grandparents (gassed or shot).

Doug

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1914 a doctrinal lie that created an entire religion the Jehovah's Witnesses

by Finkelstein in

when you think about it the jws was foundationaly created upon a single core doctrine which was created close to a 100 years ago, that is the doctrinal year of 1914 .. the leader(s) of the ibsa in 1919 proclaimed that jehovah had selectively chosen them or him as it were by j. rutherford, they also self identified themselves as the anointed class the faithful slave.. from all of these expressive endeavors a new religion sprung up eventually calling themselves the jehovah's witnesses.

years and decades followed where more and more people were lured into the faith making themselves subservient devoted members as well, some also identifying themselves as the anointed class.

the jws proclaimed through their leaders (gb) that they were true loyal witnesses to jehovah's will and purpose, but were they really ?

Doug Mason

These might be of use:

https://jwstudies.com/The_Watch_Tower_Society_Reveals_Itself.pdf

https://jwstudies.com/Changed_MD_and_SS_words.pdf

https://jwstudies.com/The_List_from_Hourglass.pdf

Doug

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1914 a doctrinal lie that created an entire religion the Jehovah's Witnesses

by Finkelstein in

when you think about it the jws was foundationaly created upon a single core doctrine which was created close to a 100 years ago, that is the doctrinal year of 1914 .. the leader(s) of the ibsa in 1919 proclaimed that jehovah had selectively chosen them or him as it were by j. rutherford, they also self identified themselves as the anointed class the faithful slave.. from all of these expressive endeavors a new religion sprung up eventually calling themselves the jehovah's witnesses.

years and decades followed where more and more people were lured into the faith making themselves subservient devoted members as well, some also identifying themselves as the anointed class.

the jws proclaimed through their leaders (gb) that they were true loyal witnesses to jehovah's will and purpose, but were they really ?

Doug Mason

In 1930, Rutherford was still holding to the 1874 Parousia.

Whether Rutherford's actions represents Christian spirituality depends on the meaning an individual understands by that term. And do not ignore Judaism in all of this, as the first-century followers of Jesus were Jews, the writers of the NT were Jews, Jesus was a Jew. They were all part of Second Temple Judaism. So what is Jewish Spirituality?

Doug.

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1914 a doctrinal lie that created an entire religion the Jehovah's Witnesses

by Finkelstein in

when you think about it the jws was foundationaly created upon a single core doctrine which was created close to a 100 years ago, that is the doctrinal year of 1914 .. the leader(s) of the ibsa in 1919 proclaimed that jehovah had selectively chosen them or him as it were by j. rutherford, they also self identified themselves as the anointed class the faithful slave.. from all of these expressive endeavors a new religion sprung up eventually calling themselves the jehovah's witnesses.

years and decades followed where more and more people were lured into the faith making themselves subservient devoted members as well, some also identifying themselves as the anointed class.

the jws proclaimed through their leaders (gb) that they were true loyal witnesses to jehovah's will and purpose, but were they really ?

Doug Mason

It was founded on the belief that the Parousia has taken place in 1874 and all of their chronologies, including 1914 were based on 1874.

Actually, the WTS's claim to its authority is now based on what it says took place in 1919.

Doug

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Second-Temple Period Messiahs

by Doug Mason in

writing is a lonely discipline that is constantly beset with self-doubt and constant self-criticism.

that is the way it needs to be.. there are times when i need to reach out for help in the form of criticism from others.

this is particularly the situation with this material.. https://jwstudies.com/second-temple_period_messiahs.pdf .

Doug Mason

Writing is a lonely discipline that is constantly beset with self-doubt and constant self-criticism. That is the way it needs to be.

There are times when I need to reach out for help in the form of criticism from others. This is particularly the situation with this material.

https://jwstudies.com/SECOND-TEMPLE_PERIOD_MESSIAHS.pdf

It will form part of a Study I am preparing on the Second-Temple Period.

I want any feedback at all. It is likely I have located material under the wrong heading; the information might be meaningless; I might have duplicated references; spelling is wrong; my grammar is poor. Please tell me.

It is not complete. I am waiting for still more books and information, so it will grow and I will be making amendments.

Thanks, Doug

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Has anyone read this book by Boyer?

by Doug Mason in

has anyone read: boyer, when time shall be no more.

prophecy belief in modern american culture?.

although it was written in 1994, it sounds interesting, and i would like to know what others think of it.. https://www.amazon.com.au/when-time-shall-be-more/dp/0674951298 (i reckon there is a spelling error in amazon's summary, where godas should read as god's).. thanks, doug.

Doug Mason

Thanks all,

I have now managed to find a copy at less than $10 from Thriftbooks. Much better price than other places.

Doug

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Has anyone read this book by Boyer?

by Doug Mason in

has anyone read: boyer, when time shall be no more.

prophecy belief in modern american culture?.

although it was written in 1994, it sounds interesting, and i would like to know what others think of it.. https://www.amazon.com.au/when-time-shall-be-more/dp/0674951298 (i reckon there is a spelling error in amazon's summary, where godas should read as god's).. thanks, doug.

Doug Mason

Has anyone read: Boyer, When Time Shall Be No More. Prophecy Belief in Modern American Culture?

Although it was written in 1994, it sounds interesting, and I would like to know what others think of it.

https://www.amazon.com.au/When-Time-Shall-Be-More/dp/0674951298 (I reckon there is a spelling error in Amazon's summary, where Godas should read as God's).

Thanks, Doug

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Zoroaster spoke thus

by Doug Mason in

the following is from: cosmos, chaos and the world to come (pp.

222-224), norman cohn.

yale university press.

Doug Mason

Thank you truth_b_known.

The more I look, the more I discover, the more I am amazed.

Thank you for the link.

Doug

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Zoroaster spoke thus

by Doug Mason in

the following is from: cosmos, chaos and the world to come (pp.

222-224), norman cohn.

yale university press.

Doug Mason

That's quite correct. Just Google for daeva. The Jews' and Christian's angelology derives similarly.

Most the the OT as we have it is the product of the 6th century BCE and later.

The "Judaism" of the "Old Testament" is not the Judaism of Jesus and his contemporaries. Much took place during the intervening centuries.

Doug